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I can understand how Bronze Age people could perceive the heavens as a "firmament" around the Earth. In fact, it makes sense that they would believe in a solid globe of stars, given their lack of evidence to the contrary. Luckily, humans endeavor to continually gain more knowledge and we've found out the truth. There is no shame in being wrong... unless you fail to own up to it. Unless you try to weasel your way out of admitting your mistakes by putting some spin on the bible and arguing over the precise definition of the original Hebrew word raqia which is translated to "firmament" in the KJV. If you do that, then you do deserve shame.

Genesis 1:14.



Bluecheetos writes:


He really should have sent in a revised version with all the typos fixed... for all we know he might be referred to as a Gob.

Anon writes:


The thing is that among serious scholars of the original biblical text, the KJV is something of a joke. Raqia could be "firmament" or "boundary" or "barrier" or "separation", etc.

Just being difficult, because that's what I do. I'm still a dedicated agnostic.

TheAlmightyGuru writes:


Please be difficult! It's by being difficult that we learn new things!

This Site is a FAIL. writes:


Pity you're lost in translation - poorly educated.

This Site is a FAIL.

TheAlmightyGuru writes:


@This Site is a FAIL.: Does this mean that you agree with me that the translation isn't perfect? If God wrote the bible, as you've claimed, surely he could also write a perfect English translation for us too, otherwise, what would be the point?

Dixieland Delight writes:


<rant> I think God just likes watching all of his people hate each other, kill each over a tiny piece of desert land, and argue about trivial things like whether or not to cut the corners of your beard or tattoo yourself. Funny how one causes controversy and the other doesn't.

If God clarified what he meant, it would be too EASY to believe... This is more or less what my aunt or my friend told me once. People who supposedly saw God back in bible times still worshiped other gods, so why would it be too easy for his omnipotent, omniscient self to appear and let us see him and make up our minds for ourselves?? </rant>

TheAlmightyGuru writes:


@Dixieland Delight: Even if God showed up to everyone on Earth and declared his existence, I still wouldn't worship him. If he is the god of the bible, he's a dastardly evil being who isn't worthy of my worship. But, even if the bible is wrong, and he's a wonderful benevolent deity, I -still- wouldn't worship him. I would be very grateful and awestruck, but I wouldn't worship because I don't think that anything should be worshiped.

Katy writes:


I recently read something discussing the fact that there are TWO gods mentioned in the bible - one the bad-tempered, vengeful, destructive, contradictory god of the Old Testament "Thou shall not kill - now go and take that land and kill everyone in it, man, woman AND ESPECIALLY children, and their cattle and animals and everything ..."; and the other the more even-tempered, forgiving god of the New Testament. There was something to do with the use of various names to differentiate. Let me think - I think it was Moncure Conway's "Demonology and Devil Worship" written in the late 1800s. Fascinating read (two volumes, but you can find both as e-books in .pdf format if you search carefully - if you can't find them, let me know and I would be happy to try emailing them to you)

TheAlmightyGuru writes:


Think about Alice from "Alice from Alice's Adventures In Wonderland". She is presented in many different formats, various books, movies, pornographic musicals (seriously!), etc. Every producer had a different way of envisioning her. The authors of the bible were the same way. Each one wrote about their unique version of God. So the bible really contains a different version of God for every single author it has. But even if it only had one author, people still interpret the bible, and thus God, in their own unique way. This is made apparent by the thousands of sects of Christianity.


Oh the irony!